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Poster: Diana Hamilton Date: Dec 3, 2002 2:02am
Forum: etree Subject: Other audio sections

Interesting topic- What kind of things would belong in the "etree" section, and which wouldn't, maybe calling for a new audio section?

Current working requirements for etree section seem to be:
-Trade-friendly material, by artist permission (should apply to etree and any other audio section
-Lossless format
-Live performance with date
-Any musical style (current "jam" slant just reflects tendencies of bands and listeners familiar with trade-friendly model)

So, features of future non-etree archive(s) might be
-Trade-friendly in any case, presumably by permission
-Either any style, or archived by distinct style (classical music, choral music, synthesized, children's?)
-Not necessarily live performances- could be trade-friendly studio material. Classical music, electronica people might have this stuff, for instance. Would need a non-date listing system.
-Not necessarily lossless ( now there's a floodgate). Could lead to poor data though.

This post was modified by hamilton on 2002-12-03 10:02:14

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Poster: Diana Hamilton Date: Dec 3, 2002 4:34am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: audio/video crossover- "Groovetv archive"?

Speaking of etree/nonetree, here is an interesting situation: Performer-OK'd video (of jambands in this case). "" itself is having issues in dealing with these because it muddies the mission and it's hard to keep straight given most (but not all) bands' pro-audio but anti-video policies. (see statement of problem)

Seems like a separate video archive in partnership with could be a good way to go assuming Groovetv's bands are OK with it. Don't know if it counts as open source video or whether it would need a guiding hand like etree folks are doing in this audio section. (Their website and
discussion board)

Discussion thread about it in etree forums.
Excerpt from Marco's parent post there:
Unique (I believe) to GrooveTV is our attempt to "broadcast" internationally by releasing each episode to the file sharing/peer-to-peer community. Each show is created as a 600MB MPEG file, which can be burned as a VCD onto CD-Rs, and played on most DVD players. For each MPEG I create an info file and an MD5, and these three files make the release. The show then circulates via eTree servers, Furthur, B&Ps, and people making copies for their friends. The show has a "taping/distribution policy" similar to most taper friendly bands: "share it, never sell it."

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Poster: akb Date: Dec 3, 2002 3:20am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Other audio sections

I would encourage partnerships with noncommercial and nonmainstream radio (that would exclude NPR).

Take a look at, its a large archive of radio programs. The site is used extensively by community radio and low power FM community to get source material for broadcast. That's a very cool use of the 'net make a radio show in some little corner of the 'net and it may be downloaded by dozens of community radio stations and aired live. They frequently have storage and bandwidth problems for their archive. If they were more widely known (and they are getting to be) I think they would outstrip their ability to centrally host the content.

The Pacifica radio network recently had a fundraiser to save their archive of audio material, which has been called a national treasure. The SF station was one of the first FM stations and they basically originated the idea of listener sponsored radio. Many of their early recordings are deteriorating so they are looking for funding to move to digital. If they could be convinced to host their archives online it would be a major coup.

Finally, Indymedia hosts a lot of news content in audio form. Short clips or excerpts from CSPAN like recordings from around the network get pieced together into shows by various independent producers.

Finally one thing I think about a lot is languages that are disappearing. An audio archive of endangered languages would be very powerful.

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Poster: Diana Hamilton Date: Dec 3, 2002 4:18am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Other audio sections- nonmusic

Finally one thing I think about a lot is languages that are disappearing. An audio archive of endangered languages would be very powerful.

Hmm, good point. For instance, certain of my relatives are actively interested in Pennsylvania Dutch, and IIRC were disappointed when a radio program in PA Dutch was recently cancelled....